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Post by james on Jan 13, 2016 18:05:15 GMT -5
I know this may be a stretch from Ice Hockey.... Though still it would be considered the first actual stick and ball game on skates... You may have already seen these... These are some old dutch paintings of kolven on the ice... The first is from Holland dated 1565(The oldest depiction of a stick and ball game on skates) The second is from 1668 Also... "New York City and the region encompassing the western half of Long Island are two of the great bastions of American hockey tradition and history. So rich is the history that some have even speculated lower Manhattan and the western half of Long Island could be the birthplace of American 'hockey' traditions dating back to the early 1600s when Dutch settlers played 'Kolven', an early form of stick and ball game, on area ponds near present-day Wall Street and Flushing, Queens.'' In 1657 on the Hudson River, Fort Orange now Albany, NY skaters reportedly played Kolven on ice which is an old fashion form golf invented by the Dutch in the mid-1500's. ''In the year 1657 Claes Hendericksan, Meeuwess Hoogenboom and Gystert van Loenen were brought before the court of Fort Orange and Beverwyck (now known as Albany, New York), for playing het kolven on the ice on the 7th of March" I don't really consider this Ice Hockey seeing as the SIHR definition is: Hockey is a game played on an ice rink in which two opposing teams of skaters, using curved sticks, trying to drive a small disc into or through the opposing goals.'' Right! Although with this definition "Ice Hockey" would have been played many years before the McGill game in 1875... I'd say The Kiowa(1680)and Sioux(1690) of South Dakota also the Mi'kmaq(Late 1690's) of Nova Scotia would have invented this definition well before euro-contact with the Native American. If you don't want to consider this hockey then you'd have to go to the year 1782. When British colonist living then in New York City played Hurley on Skates on The Collect Pond next to King's College ( Now Columbia University). Then the First Game referring to it as Hawkey would have been at Princeton in the winter of 1786. C. 1790 I think is regarded as the first real Hockey lineage in Canada when Charles Inglis and Principal William Cochran would have introduced Ice Hurley on Long Pond which led to the creation of Modern Ice Hockey... Attachments:
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Post by lm on Jan 13, 2016 18:32:31 GMT -5
Fascinating. Any idea where the name hockey comes from? i've always been curious about that.
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Post by james on Jan 13, 2016 18:48:01 GMT -5
Yes...
I would say that the very first mention of the word then pronounced "Hoghee"
Would have been in the year 1740 when Iroquois skated on shin bone blades and played it in upper state NY.
The first time the actual word Hockey was used to define the game was in early C.1820 in Plymouth Mass.
The most common and longest tradition of the name is of Colonel John Hockey then living in Fort Edward,NS.
Apparently he contidioned his troops there on ice by calling Ice Hockey as in John Hockey's game in 1857.
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Post by lm on Jan 13, 2016 19:02:29 GMT -5
oh cool. thanks for posting!
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Post by james on Jan 13, 2016 19:04:28 GMT -5
Anytime.
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Post by james on Jan 16, 2016 11:42:17 GMT -5
Hi Just found this new link in a book written about how the plains tribe used to play Hockey before coming in contact with the white settlers from Europe probably meaning late 1600's. "Tribes that lived along lakes and streams played "shinny," the Indian forerunner of modern hockey. Their puck was a root or a stone, usually covered with rawhide . This was hit across the ice with curved sticks, similar to those used in hockey today. The objective was to drive the puck between the opponent's goalposts, which often were as much as a quarter of a mile from the opposing team's goalposts." books.google.ca/books?id=udXoTjKM8ZIC&q=hockey+plains+indian&dq=hockey+plains+indian&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjO9af24q7KAhUE4D4KHQGkAYMQ6AEILTAC |
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Post by lm on Jan 16, 2016 11:52:52 GMT -5
What part of North America were the Plains tribe from?
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Post by james on Jan 16, 2016 12:21:03 GMT -5
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Post by james on Jan 19, 2016 18:09:54 GMT -5
I know this may have be written several years after the fact still..... "Down east, about 1500 — The Mi'kmaq reported today that they have developed a winter game called "oochamkunutk" — which is easy for them to say. It is played on a frozen river or pond, with two sides of ten men each. The players use deer gut to tie runners of sharp bone or wood to their moccasins, the better to slide along the ice. Two goals, made of upright sticks or small heaps of stones, are set a few hundred paces apart. Each player has a curved stick, with which he tries to hit a wooden ball, the object being to send it into the opposing side's goal.It is permissible to hit an opponent anywhere except the head.The likelihood of this peculiar activity enjoying wide acceptance or popularity is exceedingly slim." books.google.ca/books?id=j8RgQrfaSEIC&q=micmac+played+deer+gut+tied+to&dq=micmac+played+deer+gut+tied+to&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjG_OHd_LbKAhUrkIMKHa7yA8YQ6AEIHDAAThis obviously revolutionized the game although not to be taken to literary the game of Ice Hockey was probably "invented" through ancient Cherokee Lacrosse around 1100ad down in the Mississippi Valley then tooken to the ice by 1400 ad by the Haida nation of Alaska then put on skates in the 1500's Mi'kmaq tribe and into the 17th to 19th centuries it's influence was mostly American. |
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Post by james on Jan 19, 2016 19:41:42 GMT -5
I've been researching the Eskimo of Alaska and games they used to play before contact with the Europeans...
" Nelson listed thirty-seven recreational activities which he found amoung the Eskimos before the coming of the whites"
" With the passing of that institution some of the recreations of the Eskimos have been lost."
" For example, hockey was formerly played on ice with a crude stick and an ivory, leather, or wooden ball."
" Now the players usually have steel skates, and very few have manufactured hockey sticks, and the "ball" is frequently and empty milk can"
Also...
"When we boys bought rollerskates, Honners was to be seen dancing alone round the only extant maypole in the county, and when the ice skating craze gripped us Honners was given skates carved from whale bone by Eskimos when the Hudson Bay Company was formed in 1670."
^^^ This suggests that it may have been possible for the Eskimo of Alaska to be skating and playing hockey before contact. |
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Post by james on Jan 22, 2016 9:49:26 GMT -5
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Post by james on Jan 30, 2016 10:27:39 GMT -5
I found this interesting passage from a book about St.Croix Falls, Wisconsin History and it talks about a time in the 1890's? "The small lake was “the meeting place of skaters, all who liked ice sports in St. Croix, ofien joined by those from Taylors Falls and even Osceola. As soon as the lake froze 'thick enough,' a bonfire was built on the shore nearly every night and the ice resounded to the speed of ice skaters playing 'shinny,' a forerunner of modern hockey. Sides chosen, the fight was on the goal to get the bent tin can on the right side of the lines marked across either end of the lake." She named some of the skaters: Roy Patterson and his brother George, Bag and Boob Berger and the Berquist boys, John and Bom Blanding, Agnes and Marion, and other girls from town. It was “a hard-fought noisy game requiring sharp skates, accuracy and instant control.Pull-away” was also played, along with “figure skating” before and between games." books.google.ca/books?id=wHIvAQAAMAAJ&q=st.croix+pearl+shinny&dq=st.croix+pearl+shinny&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjUi86x5dHKAhVE9R4KHc1jAZgQ6AEIHjAAHere's a link to Roy Patterson and his days growing up. |
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Post by james on Feb 6, 2016 22:13:23 GMT -5
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Post by james on Feb 9, 2016 17:23:38 GMT -5
I strongly believe that a major breakthrough in Hockey history was in 1782/83. They say in between 1783-91? Though I have references stating this occurred in 1782. "New York newspapers in 1782 and 1783 carried advertisements for games of hurling and common, or winter hurling." "The ground between the Collect and Broadway rose gradually from its margin to the height of one hundred feet, and nothing can exceed in brilliancy and animation the prospect it presented on a fine winter day, when the icy surface was alive with skaters darting in every direction with the swiftness of the wind, or bearing down in a body of pursuit of the ball driven before them by their hurlies; while the hill side was covered with spectators, rising as in an amphitheatre, tier above tier, comprising as many of the fair sex, as were sufficient to adorn, and necessary to refine the assemblage; with their presence served to increase the emulation of the skaters." www.sihrhockey.org/__a/public/horg.cfmbooks.google.ca/books?id=SocOAQAAMAAJ&dq=%201782%20newspapers%20common |
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Post by james on Feb 24, 2016 16:18:55 GMT -5
The first recorded visit of a European to California occurred when Diaz crossed the Colorado River in 1540. Cabrillo, Drake, Vizcaino, and others visited the California coast during the same period." books.google.ca/books?id=3A8QAQAAMAAJ&dq=1540+Cabrillo+drake&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=colorado+1540+Cabrillo+drake+"Then, too, where the "concrete basis of life" was as simple as among most California inland peoples." "They indicate only that the precontact peoples made use of certain artifact types which were still employed, but not necessarily exclusively, by the modern Yokuts." "These would include : 35 Occasional use of portable stone and hopper mortars; stone balls for gaming ; wooden shinny pucks." books.google.ca/books?id=PR5KAPT0xVwC&q=grooved+inference+tighlty+wooden+shinny+pucks&dq=grooved+inference+tighlty+wooden+shinny+pucks&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjP4bb_hZHLAhXjr4MKHSUxCkcQ6AEIHDAA"Games for adult men and women were shinny, played with a curved stick and a puck of oak gall or pepperwood nut." books.google.ca/books?id=I6b6EEE1YlIC&pg=PA201&dq=curved+shinny+stick+native+california&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSqqzgoJHLAhWEvoMKHd8lBRYQ6AEIJzAC"As in field hockey, the ball was struck with a curved stick. The average length of the playing sticks was about thirty-six inches, and the striking end was curved, widened, and flattened. Usually carved out of wood, shinny sticks were brightly painted with symbols of significance to the player or tribe." "Shinny was played on a rectangular area usually two to three hundred yards long , but sometimes much longer. For example, the longest shinny field on record was a seven-and-a-half-mile field used by the Mono Indians in California." books.google.ca/books?id=4v4TBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA280&dq=shinny+field+retangular+,+used+by+the+mono&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjA58qVpJHLAhUqsoMKHfztDs0Q6AEIIjAB |
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Post by james on Feb 25, 2016 9:46:36 GMT -5
 Indoor Yacht Club Hockey Team 1916 Bay Counties Amateur Hockey Association San Francisco, California, USA Team Roster 1 - Ted Clark, 2 - E. M. Borden (coach), 3 - Reuben E. Carey, 4 - Joseph S. Lewis (manager), 5 - Robert Dufort, 6 - J. S. Peters, 7 - O'Shaughnessy, 8 - Charles Robert 'Bob' Percival, 9 - Corey The 1st artificial rink in San Francisco was opened under the name Techau Tavern Ice Palace on May 1, 1916 with a feature presentation of "Alpine Nights" supplemented with a skating ballet. The Bay Counties Amateur Hockey Association was formed on July 10, 1916 at the Techau Tavern with the following officers duly elected from local clubs. Honorary Presidents - William Greer Harrison (Olympic Club), and Edward H. Sinclair (Canadian Club), President - Dr. Arthur Beardslee (Olympic Club), 1st Vice President - James A. McDonald (Caledonian Club), 2nd Vice President - Corbett Moody (Polo Hockey Club), 3rd Vice President - J. H. O'Keefe (Canadian Club), Secretary Treasurer - A. C. Morrison (Polo Hockey Club), Executive Committee - John H. Thomlinson (Caledonian Club), Harold Hoeber (Indoor Yacht Club), C. H. Minto (Canadian Club), J. S. A. Macdonald (San Francisco Hockey Club), Sven Philip (Olympic Club), A. C. Morrison (Polo Hockey Club). The pioneer season was set to play on each Tuesday evening starting July 18, 1916 to October 24, 1916 with the following teams - Polo Hockey Club, Olympic Club, Caledonian Club, Indoor Yacht Club, San Francisco Hockey Club and the Canadian Club. A new rink was opened called the Winter Garden, which had a ice surface of 210 by 90 feet, and The California Amateur Hockey Association was also formed in 1916 in the San Francisco Bay area of California. The 1st President was Robert W. Dodd - Vice-President Merrill E. Andrews and Wendel Kuhn a former Princeton player was named Secretary Treasurer. The California Amateur Hockey Association started play on November 14, 1916, and was to continue for a period of 18 weeks, also playing their games on Tuesday evenings. The first teams to play were the Olympic Club, Indoor Yacht Club, Pacific Club and the Canadian Club - Stanford University and the Caledonian Club were also members of the association. IT SHOULD BE NOTED - The 1st Ice Hockey game played in Southern California was on May 13, 1916 in San Diego, on the ice rink at the Panama-California International Exposition (in the former Alhambra Cafeteria building). The group of men who lined up for that game was composed of a local sportsman, an aviator from the Government aviation school, two men from the United States Marine Corps, a concessionaire from the Isthmus, a map maker, a physician, a army officer and several prominent business men. They were men from Canada, from Europe and from Eastern & Northern States, and they had played ice Hockey from Nova Scotia to China. They called themselves the Exposition and San Diego teams. hockeygods.com/images/12379-Indoor_Yacht_Club_Hockey_Team_1916___San_Francisco |
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Post by james on Feb 27, 2016 13:07:11 GMT -5
 The Birth of Professional Hockey in Upper Michigan 1904... Although Pittsburgh may have bragging rights as to the first paid players to play hockey in 1901(Western Pennsylvania Hockey league) There are many that believe the first fully Professional league was in 1904 when International Professional Hockey League was formed. Involving teams from Houghton,Calumet,Canadian and American Sault.Ste Marie,and Pittsburg. The team known as the Portage Lakers which formed in 1899 had pretty much dominated the Hockey scene for years. Mostly composed of Canadian imports who were too good to play as amateurs in theirs Amateur Canadian Leagues and by 1904 (IPHL) they were fully paid. In 1904 as Champions of America they played off agaist the Montreal Wanderers for the world championship winning by a total of 17-6 including both games at the Amphidrome.  By 1905 the issued a Stanley cup Challenge to the Ottawa Silver Seven(Senators) but were denied due to their professional status.  Again in 1906 they were denied a challenge by the stanley cup holding Wanderers. With this the Lakers and pro league dissolved by 1907. www.cchockeyhistory.org/Timeline/1904-07_IHL.htm pittsburghhockey.net/other-teams/early-professional |
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Post by james on Mar 1, 2016 16:20:29 GMT -5
"The first European known to enter Montana was Pierre Gaultier, de Varennes, sieur de La Vérendrye. Vérendrye had heard of a river that flowed to the western sea and was looking for the Northwest Passage. He came in 1738, but retreated. Two of his sons, Pierre and François, returned in 1743 and described the "shining mountains," generally believed to be the Bighorns of southern Montana and northern Wyoming." "The most interesting winter game was ice shinny, found among numerous Northern tribes. Early North American white settlers were accustomed to the sight of a brave running across the ice pushing a puck with a curved stick. Shinny was played with crooked sticks similar to the ice hockey sticks of today. In fact, ice shinny may be considered a precursor of ice hockey. Among the Blackfoot, two upright logs were the goal posts, placed on end lines about one-quarter mile apart. The puck was a knot of wood covered with rawhide or was a stone. A game consisted of seven points. As many as 50 players were on a team." www.frommers.com/destinations/montana/646838books.google.ca/books?id=8tE-zGJhSTAC&pg=PA258&dq=teams+competed+blackfeet+puck+stone+a+game+fifty&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwig_eSor6DLAhWG74MKHUJODScQ6AEIHDAAAlso you might be interested in the link below as it mentions how the Blackfoot skated on ice and played shinny (Pre-Contact). |
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Post by james on Apr 18, 2016 18:48:50 GMT -5
"Mr T. S. Dozier ° writes as follows : About the middle of January there is played a game that is to the Pueblos what baseball is to the Americans. It is nothing more or less than the old game of shinny, generally played on the ice, as with us. The pu-nam-be, or ball, used is a soft, light affair, made of rags and buckskin or wholly of buckskin. The pu-nam-be stick is generally of willow, with a curved end, and is about 3 feet long. Men, boys of all sizes, and girls of all ages, and now and then a- married woman engage in the pastime. The sexes do not play together, nor the boys with men. Among the men wagers of every description are made.During the past winter, in a game between the men, which lasted nearly a whole day, the side that was beaten had to dance a solemn dance for a whole day. Quite a difficulty arose on account of it.-Tesuque New Mexico." books.google.ca/books?id=zYI6_uJ66jIC&pg=PA643&dq=During+the+past+winter,+in+a+game%C2%A0solemn+dance&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjR0Ob6rZnMAhXsm4MKHfAjByYQ6AEIHDAA |
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Post by james on May 26, 2016 16:04:11 GMT -5
"The era known as the Viking age lasted for more than 300 years, from the late 8th century to the late 11th century. The history of the Vikings is closely linked to their role as masters of the sea. They were feared as fierce and ruthless pirates. However this does not complete the story of the Vikings. They were also poets, lawmakers and great artists. Their superior ships explored unknown seas and they settled new lands." "The games most frequently alluded to in the ancient Sagas are : — Game at ball ( knattleikr). In this game a large number of young people used to assemble on an open plain or on the ice. The ball, which was called kniittr, was made of wood or of some hard substance ; and the bat with which it was struck, knattre. Two persons of about equal strength were matched together, and the game seems to have consisted in this, that when one of them struck the ball, the other tried to catch hold of it. Very frequently disputes would arise among the players, when one of them would strike the other a violent blow with the ball or with the bat." www.ingebretsens.com/culture/history/the-vikings-and-the-viking-erabooks.google.ca/books?id=h44BAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA154&dq=knattleikr&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2guvpxfjMAhUr6IMKHdg_BBAQ6AEIVjAJ"During several of our recent feasts, we have attempted to recreate the Viking era ball game called knattleikr. While the game is mentioned in the stories, (such as the Icelandic family sagas), the sources are silent about the details of the game. No examples of the playing equipment are known to survive. No listing of the rules has survived. In the stories, usually all that's mentioned is the fact that people played the game, that players had disputes, and frequently, that blood was spilled." www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/daily_living/text/knattleikr.htmUnfortunately there is no mention of skates being used in these games although it may have been possible. |
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Post by james on Jun 5, 2016 10:23:49 GMT -5
This is a passage from a book written in 1900 about the Alaskan Inuit and by my judgment is the answer to the original post. "Skating. — This is "par excellence" the popular exercise of the men and boys. They make skates for themselves, sharpening the edge of a piece of an iron barrel hoop and inserting the blunt edge into a block of wood, which has been rudely shaped to accommodate it to the boot, to which it is bound by sealskin straps. They do not pretend to be graceful skaters ; they prefer to play ' ' shinny " rather than practice tricks." books.google.ca/books?id=CFBZAAAAIAAJ&dq=block&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=block |
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Post by james on Jun 22, 2016 7:52:16 GMT -5
I found this interesting passage out of the Harvard Daily Echo dated January 19th 1881... "There is a large sheet of fairly good ice on Holmes Field, near the society building. This ice is at present used only by the youthful citizens of Cambridge, who are breaking off the young birch trees that have been set out there, in order to make hockey sticks.There is plenty of room on this ice for a game of hockey, and it would be well if a game could be started there every afternoon while the skating lasts.During the winter we have few enough chances for out-of-door exercise, and this opportunity should not be neglected. The streets of Cambridge are at present too icy to make walking agreeable, and it requires too much time to go to the various ponds near Cambridge for skating. If there is not sufficient interest in hockey to start a game on Holmes, perhaps we might be favored with the spectacle of a game of lacrosse on the ice." books.google.ca/books?id=oz0BAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA85-IA4&dq=ice+for+a+game+of+hockey+every+afternoon&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjRkpKhwLrNAhVp54MKHdYcAb4Q6AEIMzABPlus this may not be a contempory source I know although still interesting... The modern hockey puck was invented around 1875. There are two different versions of its origination. One story claims that in 1875, students at Boston University sliced a rubber ball in half to make a puck. books.google.ca/books?id=8EBaAAAAYAAJ&q=1875&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjiwcnjw7rNAhVs2IMKHf-PA8sQ6AEIIzAA |
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Post by james on Jun 22, 2016 11:17:02 GMT -5
This was wrtitten in 1877... "The habits of Bostonians upon Sundays, thirty years ago, were very different from what they are now." "The Latin and High School pupils, who had just moved into their new building in Bedford street, played hockey in the autumn from the Joy and West-street path eastward to Park-street fence, without" a policeman to watch them, and without so much as a baker's dozen of idlers interested in the progress of their game, where there would be thousands to run and see them now.Yet that very ball-ground was then, as it is now, the most frequented part of the Common. Occasionally a sort of town and gown row between the young lovers of the humanities in Bedford street and the less fortunate " Mason-streeters," as they were termed, arose upon the slopes below the ghincko tree, nor did the parents wonder, when the young hopeful came home to his supper with a cut lip,*a smashed nose, or a bruised eye, that such things should be, although some mothers lamented that their children would not go round the Common, as they did, instead of across it." books.google.ca/books?id=nHoFAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA14&dq=boston+common+hockey&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiLkciu9LvNAhVI5IMKHayEByAQ6AEIJzAA |
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Post by james on Jun 26, 2016 18:01:59 GMT -5
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Post by james on Jul 5, 2016 11:56:31 GMT -5
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Post by james on Jul 16, 2016 8:15:37 GMT -5
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Post by james on Jul 16, 2016 12:54:35 GMT -5
Hurlry on Ice Elsingburgh Colony NJ 1685 This is from a book written in 1836... " When the gay groups had finished their rounds in the village, the ice in front [on the river J was seen all alive with the small-fry of Elsingburgh, gambolling and skating, sliding and tumbling, helter-skelter, and making the frost-bit ears of winter glad with the sounds of mirth and revelry. In one place was a group playing at hurley, with crooked sticks, with which they sometimes hit the ball, and sometimes each other's shins. In another, a knot of slidersy following in a row, so that if the foremost fell, the rest were sure to tumble over him. A Uttle farther might be seen a few, that had the good fortune to possess a pair of skates, luxuriating in that most graceful of all exercises, and emulated by some half a dozen little urchins, with smooth bones fastened to their feet, in imitation of the others, skating away with a gravity and perseverance worthy of better implements. All was fun, laughter, revelry, and happiness ; and that day, the icy mirror of the noble Delaware reflected as light hearts as ever beat together in the new world. Such are supposed to have been the juvenile sports of New-year's day, in the Middle States, one hundred and fifty years ago." archive.org/stream/festivalsgamesam00smit#page/332/mode/2up/search/Hurley+ |
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Post by james on Jul 18, 2016 16:23:44 GMT -5
This was written in 1876... "Over three hundred years ago, and for ages immemorial before the white man had ever set his fatal foot in this country, all the inland region.from what is now Canada to North Carolina, and westward from Central Pennsylvania to Michigan, was peopled by the Iroquois nation." "Together they traversed the dense forest covering all the western or Canadian banks of the Thunder Water, hunting the elk, the bear, and the bison, the roe and the reindeer ; together they trapped the fox, the rabbit, and the beaver ; together they fished in the sah- sah-je-wun or rapids, or the great lakes Erie and Ontario ; Side by side they lay, in winter, on the frozen surface of the water, their heads covered with skins,spearing the salmon through the airholes with*their*barbed aishkuns. And together -they bound snowshoes on their feet, and danced or ran races, emulating the flight of the shaw-shaw, or swallow, in swiftness, or engaged in ball -play on the ice. was peopled by the Iroquois nation the salmon through the air-holes in the ice with their barbed aishkuns; and together they bound snow-shoes on their feet, and danced or ran races, emulatingthe flight of the shaw-shaw, or swallow, in swiftness, or engaged in ball-play on the ice." books.google.ca/books?id=65UeAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA147&dq=ball+ice+Iroquois&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwijj6O15_3NAhUo44MKHT7RDcUQ6AEILTAD#v=onepage&q=ball%20ice%20Iroquois&f=falseIs this suggesting that the Iroquois played hockey in the 1500's? |
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Post by james on Jul 30, 2016 10:47:17 GMT -5
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Post by james on Aug 4, 2016 10:51:34 GMT -5
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